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kellinatorLast night TNT was again airing the first Law and Order/Homicide crossover, Charm City/For God and Country, and it hit me at some point near the end: I am convinced that at some point during that crossover Tim Bayliss and Claire Kincaid got it on. Or at least made out passionately in the alley behind the Waterfront.
It got me thinking about the different levels of canon and subtext which relate to interpersonal relationships between characters. They don't have to mean sex but they usually do because what's the big deal about showing two characters are buddies? Shows will usually come out and show that. There are a few types:
- Official Canon: It happened onscreen and there's no denying it. Example: Sheridan and Delynn, Falsone and Ballard *retch*. Personally, I think people are least interested in these because it happened, we know it happened, reading between the lines is much more interesting. (Note: I am still only halfway done with Babylon 5. If you spoil me, I will gut you.)
- Semi-Official Canon: You thought you could read it between the lines, and then one of the head honchos confirmed it in an interview. Examples: Jack and Claire, Susan and Talia, Tim's love for Frank
- Official-in-My-Head Canon: You think you can read it between the lines, nobody's made it official but you're still convinced. Examples: the above-mentioned Tim and Claire, Munch and Kay (at least on his side), Alex and Olivia
- Because-I-Said-So Canon: There's absolutely no evidence, but that's not stopping you. Examples: Most slash, almost anything
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edie22 writes, anything I write in which Munch and Kay are actually having sex.
So, what are your favorites in the last three categories?
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Date: 2004-05-18 12:32 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2004-05-18 12:40 pm (UTC)Oh, and a cute tidbit about Jack/Claire on L&O. Everyone was always going back and forth on did they/didn't they. Then someone (maybe Wolf) confirmed in an interview - after her "death" - that "they did." Which came as a hell of a shock to Jill Hennessy, who said she'd been playing it all along as "they didn't." But not to Sam Waterston, who'd been playing it all along as "they did."
(Personally, I loved that episode. The missed connections in the bar, the "hell with her" that he so clearly didn't mean, "At least she's Irish," and of course the crash... SOOOO tragic. Arguably my favorite episode.)
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Date: 2004-05-18 12:51 pm (UTC)And regarding that episode, you must read this, titled "Aftershock of a Different Kind":
http://www.livejournal.com/community/thursday100/121257.html
and its sequel:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/thursday100/123246.htm
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Date: 2004-05-18 12:42 pm (UTC)Or, hell, if they *could* have been in the same room. =)
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Date: 2004-05-18 12:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-18 12:59 pm (UTC)um. If you want to, sure. But, you probably shouldn't tell Howie about it.
*giggles*
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Date: 2004-05-18 12:55 pm (UTC)Mind, those are the only ones where it makes any sense whatsoever on even a really, really long branch, but, man, get around a "trad" Who fan (as opposed to "rad") and start talking about why the Doctor was so irritable and resigned to death after Tegan left him, and boy howdy can you raise some hackles.
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Date: 2004-05-18 03:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-18 12:58 pm (UTC)Semi-Official Canon: Wesley and Angel (Angel: The Series -- one-sided crush on Wes's part), Spike and Angel (Angel: The Series -- past sexual involvement)
Official-in-My-Head Canon: Jack and Skaara (Stargate: SG-1 -- because a grown man hugging a teenage boy that much is just too fraught with implications)
I Don't Even Call This Canon: Spike and Xander (Buffy The Vampire Slayer -- this isn't remotely implied by canon, I don't perceive it as canon, but I still enjoy reading the fics for some odd and unexplainable reason)
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Date: 2004-05-18 01:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-18 01:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-18 03:35 pm (UTC)I've been watching Babylon 5 on DVD, and listened to the commentaries by JMS, in which he talked about his being forced to get rid of Sinclair (along with many other stupid things the network forced him to do), but I don't remember if he spoke specifically about the Sinclair/Delynn stuff. That's why I said it *might* be Semi-Official Canon ... I haven't really researched the issue, but from what little I have heard and read it seemed fairly clear.
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Date: 2004-05-18 01:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-18 03:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-18 01:41 pm (UTC)I think the story is that Jill played the situation like they didn't and Sam played the situation like they did. Anyway, in his big-ass coffee table book, His Highness, King Wolf confirmed Jack and Claire had an affair.
I am convinced that at some point during that crossover Tim Bayliss and Claire Kincaid got it on.
Oh, they so did it. There was entirely too much sparkage between them to let it all go to waste.
So, what are your favorites in the last three categories?
Hee. You asked for it. Actually, I'll cover all four categories.
Official Canon: Cassidy and Benson. OK, this one is weird and bears some explanation. Cassidy was the wet-behind-the-ears character on SVU. I think he was meant to be the audience's representation. He was definitely my representation in "Closure". Brian was never a favorite of mine, but my heart broke right along with his when Olivia made it clear she wasn't interested in pursuing a relationship. Dean's hurt puppy look said it all. Given that, I'm glad the tryst never went anywhere. Even though I felt bad for Brian, it was interesting to see the woman being the love 'em-and-leave 'em type.
Semi-Official Canon: Tim's love for Frank is a favorite of mine, too. I love Bayliss and I'm in awe of Pembleton and I loved their partnership, so it just makes sense to me.
Official-In-My-Head-Canon: This is too, too obvious: Alex and Olivia. I worshiped Cabot from the first episode I saw her in, although, I must admit I didn't buy into the A/O 'ship 100% until "Loss." I was a hopeless convert after that and started looking for the least little sign of HoYay during all the reruns. It's amazing how much of it there is if you look hard enough.
Because-I-Said-So Canon: Stabler and Cabot. I loved, loved, loved the antagonism that occurred between them early on. Those shouting matches were so hot. Plus, I got this stubborn idea in my head that Elliot and Alex possibly had a one-night stand after "Execution". And, even if they didn't, I still say those two had UST to burn.
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Date: 2004-05-18 03:51 pm (UTC)And yeah, totally with you on the gender role-reversal with Olivia and Cassidy.
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Date: 2004-05-18 05:31 pm (UTC)I would be pleased as punch if you took a stab at some kinky A/E smut.
B5 spoilers
Date: 2004-05-18 03:39 pm (UTC)Everyone dies.
Earth is destroyed.
The end.
Wanna know what happens in the regrettably short-lived B5: Crusade series? Or B5 movies like Thirdspace?
Re: B5 spoilers
Date: 2004-05-18 03:59 pm (UTC)Re: B5 spoilers
Date: 2004-05-18 06:07 pm (UTC)Yep. Does this make it all better?
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Date: 2004-05-18 06:09 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-19 08:20 am (UTC)Tim/Claire
McCoy/Claire- I've never written L&O, but had I? OTP.
Never thought of Stabler/Cabot but I might now. Maybe in the shower.(evil smile)
Faith/Spike on Buffy. Hot, hot.
Logan/Olivette-esp. since I'm the only one who would want Logan/Me.
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Date: 2004-05-19 08:24 am (UTC)And are you going to do anything more with Queer Eye for the Homicide Guy? Instant classic!!
Maybe you should join
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Date: 2004-05-19 08:44 am (UTC)Read. Enjoy. My apologies for the length.(it's hard being a chick with size issues.)
http://archive.shriftweb.org/archive/22/sweetsfor.html
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Date: 2004-05-19 08:47 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-19 09:34 am (UTC)Munch and Kay were the most fun to make teens of. Frank was the hardest...I was most like Teen Timmy...my God, so awkward.
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Date: 2004-05-19 09:36 am (UTC)Hey, have you read any of the stuff at Autofocus? Site seems mainly dead, but there's a lot of good reading.
http://evolfic.com/autofocus/index2.html
I'm assuming you've checked out 11 Cents and Schism's webpages? MORE QUEER EYE DAMMIT!!!
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Date: 2004-05-19 09:49 am (UTC)I'd love to write more QE but I have Kay's fashion sense.(when I'm not pseudogoth.).I need some technical advice for Afters for the guys
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Date: 2004-05-20 11:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-21 03:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-24 04:20 pm (UTC)Okay, linkage.
Date: 2004-05-25 02:45 pm (UTC)Three of the best places to find Homicide fanfic:
11 Cents. This is the only one of the three that's still active -- occasionally something new will come through on the Yahoo group. Worth a join.
Autofocus
Schism
(That's the good thing about Homicide fanfic: there's not much of it, but because you just about had to have a brain to get the show, most of what's out there is pretty good.)
Just about anything I recommended over at
http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=crack_van&keyword=Homicide+Fanfic+Recs&filter=all
Especially good MunchenKay:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/crack_van/116828.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/crack_van/117167.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/crack_van/128338.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/crack_van/113254.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/crack_van/128667.html
http://www.livejournal.com/users/chicating/46449.html
And then, there's my humble contribution to the genre:
http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=1271957
Hope you enjoy! :)
Re: Okay, linkage.
Date: 2004-05-25 02:58 pm (UTC)Thanks again! You're awesome!
Re: Okay, linkage.
Date: 2004-05-25 03:07 pm (UTC)Re: Okay, linkage.
Date: 2004-05-25 03:19 pm (UTC)At this point, I assume it would be okay if I friended you? 'Cause I'll be having all sorts of problems come the Season 5 release in August!
Re: Okay, linkage.
Date: 2004-05-25 03:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-24 09:47 pm (UTC)I gues Munch/Olivia would qualify as "Because I said so" canon. There's not a whole lot to back it up, but I really like this pairing. I can picture the two of them...comforting each other. They're both so angsty.
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Date: 2004-05-25 02:24 pm (UTC)Here's a link to a fanfic recommendation I made in
http://www.livejournal.com/community/crack_van/128667.html
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Date: 2004-05-25 02:35 pm (UTC)http://www.livejournal.com/community/crack_van/116828.html
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Date: 2004-05-25 03:57 pm (UTC)I can't begin to tell you how much I love good writing, especially when it involves characters that I adore.
And I didn't make these icons by the way. They were created by the talented Starlight1221. I'll post some for you:
http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v164/Pendragon77/mlmirror.gif
http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v164/Pendragon77/munchonelook.jpg
I requested those two. I got the lines from some French poems.
Here are the rest:
http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v164/Pendragon77/munchjeffremember.jpg
http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v164/Pendragon77/livmunch.jpg
http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v164/Pendragon77/livmunchthere.jpg
Is it the actual style of the icons that you admire or is it the pairing? It would be nice to meet another individual who likes Munch/Olivia and Munch/Jeffries. I keep thinking of Fall of a Sparrow and I'm hoping that someone, if not myself, will write Munch/Olivia with the same kind of passion.
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Date: 2004-05-26 03:00 pm (UTC)The icons are all so lovely! I think the style moreso than the pairing, because MunchenKay is my OTP, but if it's well-written Munch, I'm there, no matter the pairing! :)
Yes!! Write MunchFic!! You know you want to!!