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The problem with the kind of guy I'm looking for is that he only exists in my imagination and John Mayer songs.

Date: 2004-05-03 08:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stevietee.livejournal.com
Did you ever get a certain videotape in your mailbox?

Date: 2004-05-03 08:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kellinator.livejournal.com
Alas, it has not yet been seen, despite my considerable eagerness for it. You sent it to the law library?

Again, thank you soooooo much!! *hugs*

Date: 2004-05-03 08:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stevietee.livejournal.com
Yeah, I sent it interoffice mail to Kelly [last name looked up on the website], Law Library, ILL. I assume it should get there soon, hopefully today, since I sent it first thing Friday morning!

And you can keep the tape or toss it -- it's starting to mess up, so we weren't planning to use it again.

Date: 2004-05-03 09:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kellinator.livejournal.com
Eeep eeep eeeeeeep!!!! Right after this, I went upstairs and checked the mail and there it was!!!!

I can't wait for tonight so I can go home and watch it!! I sooo owe you lunch!!

Date: 2004-05-03 09:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stevietee.livejournal.com
I'm sure you'll enjoy it -- it's Munchtastic! :)

I'm crazy busy for the next couple of weeks, but I'll take a raincheck on that lunch, until after I get back from New Zealand in June!

Date: 2004-05-03 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ga-sunshine.livejournal.com
IF it is last week's SVU that featured the Munchanator...it was gooooood stuff. *grin*

Yes, I'm LJ-dropping.

Date: 2004-05-03 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stevietee.livejournal.com
That's the exact episode! I know Da Kellinator will looooove it! :)

Date: 2004-05-03 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stevietee.livejournal.com
Based on the cartoons on your User Info page, I added you. Hope you don't mind! :)

Date: 2004-05-03 12:13 pm (UTC)

Date: 2004-05-03 08:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaktwos.livejournal.com
Amen, sister.

Date: 2004-05-03 09:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dslartoo.livejournal.com
Not in response to the comment, but in response to your icon -- you do know the new "Fables" collection "Storybook Love" just came out, right?

cheers,
Phil

Date: 2004-05-03 09:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaktwos.livejournal.com
Yes, I am. :-) I met the artist for Fables just this past Saturday, too. :-)

Date: 2004-05-03 09:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dslartoo.livejournal.com
Which one? Bucky or Medina?

cheers,
Phil

Date: 2004-05-03 09:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaktwos.livejournal.com
I met the fellow who does the inks: Steve Leialoha. A very peaceful, pleasant man.

Date: 2004-05-03 09:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dslartoo.livejournal.com
You got lucky. Leialoha doesn't do many conventions or signings, preferring to stay inside and ink. :) You meet him at Wondercon?

cheers,
Phil

Date: 2004-05-03 09:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaktwos.livejournal.com
I did. :-)

Date: 2004-05-03 10:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] namfle.livejournal.com
You're not even kidding.

What are you looking for? Might as well advertise. :)

Date: 2004-05-03 10:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sharrainchains.livejournal.com
Nonsense: if you can imagine it/him, you can find it/him!

Date: 2004-05-03 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmeghan.livejournal.com
too true!!

Date: 2004-05-03 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] r3dqu33n.livejournal.com
We did an exercise in my life*work class about what qualities we want our significant other to possess. We were supposed to write a long list. The exercise helped us focus on what we wanted, what of that was essential, and how well current and past partners matched that list.

Date: 2004-05-03 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notgruntled.livejournal.com
Okay, here comes my umpteenth iteration of the lament of the nice guy.

The guy you're looking for is the one you're looking past. The short, dumpy-looking guy. The one who's insecure and lousy at reading signals. The guy you might actually (gasp!) have to take the incentive to ask out.

The guy who's so great at listening when you break up with That Asshole. The guy who remembers that your mother was sick the last time you spoke, and asks how she's doing.

The guy you "never thought of that way."

If you're looking for a smart, funny, kind guy, they're not rare. If you're holding out for one who has Brad Pitt's looks and money, it'll be a long wait.

Date: 2004-05-04 09:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kellinator.livejournal.com
If I saw this someplace else, I'd probably nod agreement. But since you said it to me...

I gave up on the hunks in high school, and I've never dated or not dated someone for monetary reasons. In fact, I've made a concerted effort to find the nice guys... and sometimes, I have. The trouble is, they don't want me.

I actually have pursued the guys off to the side, the insecure ones, the ones lacking in social skills. This has led to such fun as me driving two hours to visit a guy and only finding out he had a girlfriend when I saw her earrings on the sink. And silly me, I actually believed all the magazines when they said "ask a guy out! He'll be flattered!" Because it's almost always ended with the guy saying yes just to be polite, then giving me the friends speech. I'm convinced that men feel emasculated when women ask them out. Or maybe some of them are intimidated by a woman who goes after what she wants. Or they don't want a woman unless she's a prize -- one they would have to chase over to impress the boys. I don't play games; I don't play hard to get. This has gotten me thrown over more times than I can count.

There's a great speech that one of the characters in Bill Willingham's Proposition Player gives:

The biggest lie all of you women tell yourselves is that you like nice men, when, in fact, we bore you silly.

The trouble is, you tell this lie out loud and so damned often that some of us more gullible types hear it growing up and work hard to become nice men.

So on behalf of all the nice men out there, fuck you very much.


You hear the "but" coming. This speech is made to a very pretty little blond. Men may bitch about women never going after the nice guys, but in my experience, what they're really bitching about is that models never go for the nice guys.

In my experience, men want nice women even less than women want nice men.

< / rant >

Date: 2004-05-04 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notgruntled.livejournal.com
And silly me, I actually believed all the magazines when they said "ask a guy out! He'll be flattered!" Because it's almost always ended with the guy saying yes just to be polite, then giving me the friends speech. I'm convinced that men feel emasculated when women ask them out. Or maybe some of them are intimidated by a woman who goes after what she wants.

Some, sure. But not most, I don't think. But remember that we're talking about guys who, in the main, are at least a little insecure to begin with, and bad at reading signals. There's a fine line between assertive and aggressive.

Then there's Groucho's old "any club that would have me as a member" rule. Someone insecure enough will assume that someone he doesn't have to pursue, cajole and wear down must have something wrong with her.

Men may bitch about women never going after the nice guys, but in my experience, what they're really bitching about is that models never go for the nice guys.

In my experience, men want nice women even less than women want nice men.


Fair enough. Men and women both suck. You and I are blind people describing opposite ends of the elephant.

And I'll agree with you that men are definitely more shallow when it comes to visual beauty, but women are more likely to be drawn to guys with money, so those things might roughly balance each other out.

Date: 2004-05-06 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kellinator.livejournal.com
Hey, I hope I didn't come across harsh in my original reply. I guess it kinda touched some nerves, but hey, we've both got valid points.

Here's hoping there are some real nice people out there for both of us.

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