Kellinator Jones and the Temple of Snark

And I'll tell you my secret source if you want :)

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Yes, do tell! Mine was Entertainment Weekly.

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Go read the L&O:SVU Bios on NBC. the *departing* Stephanie March is being *replaced* by Diane Neal.

I've also seen her climb into something much like the gold crown vic they show exploding.

Law and Order also has a penchant for killing off it's departing ADAs. I think only one escaped alive....

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Actually, the only other ADA I know of who's been killed off was Claire Kincaid (Jill Hennessey). To great dramatic effect, in fact, since she and McCoy were having an affair and she was killed while driving Briscoe home after he fell off the wagon.

I hate to see March go. I think she's a much better actress than the other blond ADA, Elisabeth Rohm.

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Whoops, forgot about Elisabeth Rohm. I guess my theory stinks, but the rest of the facts still stand :)

Funny, all the ADAs have resembled models...

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Yeah. Unfortunately, a few too many of them have acted like models too. And once they start not to suck, they go on to bigger and better things... I still think Jamie was my favorite, with Claire a close second.

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Heh... "Playboy's 'Women of Law and Order'"

I'd buy it...

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Seriously, I'm surprised we haven't seen this.

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Whoa whoa whoa... how did I miss the fact that Kincaid and McCoy were having an affair??? Was this outright pronounced or only alluded to?

And yes, me no likey Elisabeth Rohm so much... her eyes scare me.

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Heee!! That's a good story. In those days, Law and Order had so little about the characters' personal lives that Jill Henessey didn't even realize Jack and Claire had a thing going. It was almost all in implication (there's one episode which ends with Adam saying something about "you never really know who you might be sleeping with" and Jack and Claire kinda look at each other). In the death penalty episode (the one where Claire got killed), Claire went to the bar to pick up Jack but he was already gone, which is why she was there to find Lennie. The next season made it clear that they had been involved and Jack took her loss very hard, as Jamie noted.

Have you gotten to see Homicide yet? Claire also had a pretty intense flirtation with Tim Bayliss. That was also the crossover where we learned that Briscoe had had a fling with one of Munch's ex-wives (rattling Munch so hard that he lost like three hundred bucks playing pool with Briscoe). Jerry Orbach was thrilled with the subplot, which was courtesy of the Homicide writers. He reportedly said "Hey! My character had sex!!"

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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Okay. I guess I just never put two and two together that Claire had gone to the bar to pick up Jack. It's such a powerful episode it's no wonder I missed a few things. I just loved the scene with Claire and her father, and particularly how they didn't reveal who he was until the end of their conversation. Very cool.

I did indeed see the episode where Munch learns that Lenny had a fling with his ex-wife--very excellent. I keep waiting for one of these channels to start showing Homicide reruns so I can get down with all things Homicide...

*crosses fingers*

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Well, there's always hoping -- the Homicide parts of the Law and Order crossovers got huge ratings, higher than even the Law and Order parts. They were like the highest-rated basic cable dramas that week. See if Blockbuster or Netflix has the DVDs for rental!

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Was she killed? I always heard that she was in a coma.

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Close enough for TV...

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Oh well, Law & Order isn't known for its continuity... Since when had Jack McCoy ever been married? Last week, he told Serena that his wife had left him because of too many nights in the office.

Yay for retconning.

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Actually, that's correct. In McCoy's first episode, Claire commented that he had a reputation for getting involved with female assistants. McCoy snapped back "only three times, and that includes my ex-wife." (Of course, we later learned that he'd only had three female assistants.) He's also made reference to a daughter.

However, Law and Order is definitely not known for its continuity. Then again, the writers are continually losing track of how many times Munch has been married, and they did that on Homicide too. (For the record: four.)

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Well. I stand corrected.

Rey Curtis, Jamie Ross, and Lenny Briscoe have all had family appear on the show, or otherwise play a role in the story. Have any of the others have had family involved? I know we saw Greevey's family (although not Greevey himself) in one episode of the second season.

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Who's Greevey? My memory's a little faulty there...

We saw Claire's father (the law school prof) in her final episode. And we've seen Lt. Van Buren's husband and kids a few times. I also seem to remember the episode where Adam Schiff's wife died. Cragen's wife was a flight attendant killed in a plane crash.

Dunno if you've actually seen Homicide or not, but it was revealed in one of the crossovers that Briscoe had a fling with Munch's first wife after their divorce. This explains some of their carping.

Also, there was one episode where Briscoe said he was actually raised Catholic, but I'm certain the writers have forgotten by now.

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In fact, it was in an episode that aired last night--the KILLALLKIKES episode with the little shits from high school who murdered their Jewish art teacher. Forgive me for not paying closer attention, but Briscoe said that one parent was Jewish but that he was raised Catholic.

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Yes, that was it. I doubt the writers remember, though.

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Max Greevey (George Dzunzda) was the senior detective in the first season, killed in the second season premiere and replaced by Phil Cerreta (Paul Sorvino).

Now that you mention it, I do remember Claire's dad, and Lt. Van Buren's husband, though not her kids.

I saw the first crossover, with the white supremacist bomber (played by the actor who now plays Dr. Skoda), where Munch and Briscoe shoot pool, or rather, Briscoe whips Munch's ass. And it was re-visited in the second crossover, where Briscoe mentions Munch's ex again...

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Yup. I get a huge kick out of Munch and Briscoe's scenes together. And I keep meaning to write a Law and Order: SVU parody with all the characters played by actors who also play characters on Oz doing double-takes at each other.

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I never saw Oz (no HBO), but from what I recall, a friend of mine simply could not watch SVU because he couldn't see Det. Stabler as a cop, after seeing him on Oz.

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I will see Oz one of these days. I'll rent it or something. I completely expect it to fuck with my head, tho.

scarcrest says he occasionally gets creeped out seeing Stabler after seeing Meloni play a very different character on Oz.

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If you think the Chris Meloni switchover will fuck with your head... you can't even imagine the level of creeped-out fucked-up horror you'll experience with the character that Dr. Skoda plays on Oz, Schillinger. Can't. even. imagine.

Sometimes, still, after watching Oz for over three years, when Dr. Skoda appears (particularly after watching an episode of Oz) I get the willies for a moment. And then I remind myself that I like Dr. Skoda--and that it's Schillinger that I despise.

Still, he's a fantastic actor to play two such polar opposite roles.

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Hmm, so when Jack McCoy started with Claire Kincaid, he had three prior female assistants, and relationships with all of them. Since then, he has had three more female assistants, and relationships with none of them.

I suppose he did blame himself for her accident...

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They alluded to it a bit once, a few episodes after her death. Claire was killed by a drunk driver, and I think he got a rap on the wrist or something. So when Jack went up against a drunk driver, he, er, applied more than his usual zeal, and someone said something like, "What, is it 'This one's for Claire Kincaid'?"

For the record, my favorite second banana is always going to be Angie Harmon. She was one of the few who stood up to Jack and proved herself as his equal in all things, without moralizing or sleeping with him. I liked Claire a lot, I liked Carey Lowell a little, and I'd like Elizabeth Rohm if they ever let her do anything.

And we're all geeks. Just so we know.

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Oh, I know. =) BIG. FLAMING. GEEKS.

You could roast marshmallows off the flaming geekiness.

Yeah, I remember that episode. The drunk driver who killed three people with his Jaguar, McCoy abets a material witness to leave the country, and McCoy and a judge seeking to run for DA helps railroad the defendant (the judge also reappears in the season finale).

Claire was my favorite, and Abbie was a close second. (She had me at "No deals for anyone. Let's hang them all.") Next up is Jamie Ross. Serena hasn't impressed me that much, however, I'm willing to write that off as bad scripts. Watching the 1994-1998 episodes, I've realized how much the D.A.'s aspect used to use plot twists, points of law, and important court decisions. Now they just seem to have "crazy wack-ass political defense from left field."

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Yup, you're right about the wack-ass defenses.

I really didn't like Abby at first because she struck me as being self-righteous and because she talked smack about the ACLU. She did finally grow on me, but then, of course, she left. So far I haven't seen anything to show that the newest one has a personality.

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