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Inigo Montoya to the six-fingered man: I want my father back, you son of a bitch.

The Kellinator to John Ashcroft: I want my civil liberties back, you son of a bitch.

Re: AMEN

Date: 2002-01-23 09:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drunkmuppet.livejournal.com
that is very different than the point being argued here!

Re: AMEN

Date: 2002-01-23 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nativeatlantan.livejournal.com
no, no, no, it's not. [livejournal.com profile] darkwolf69 was talking about privacy, and they want to keep tabs on you, your whereabouts, etc.

Re: AMEN

Date: 2002-01-23 11:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drunkmuppet.livejournal.com
The government is a very small group when compared to the overall populus. There is no way they are going to be able to keep tabs on everyone. There is a need to check everyone to see the people who they do need to keep tabs on.

Honestly?, do you really think the government has time to read every freaking live journal post. It would take a group the size of the population to keep tabs on everyone!

Nope

Date: 2002-01-23 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nativeatlantan.livejournal.com
That's not what I was saying at all. I was just saying that there was a discussion about 3 months ago about possibly putting a chip in AMERICAN CITIZENS that would allow the government to "keep tabs" on AMERICAN CITIZENS.

I think it had something to do with illegal aliens, healthcare, etc.

If they do have time to read every LJ post:

FUCK YOU, why aren't you earning the money you are stealing from my paychecks???????

Re: Nope

Date: 2002-01-23 11:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drunkmuppet.livejournal.com
OK you have made your point.

Let's come back to reality. Do you really think the US population would stand for something like this(a chip, this is fucking nonsense, just like 90 percent of news stories)We all know the media tends to overdramatize things and I am sure this is one of those things. !
I am a big proponent of organized government,(not necessarily all of the bad that is associated with our current state of government, but without, we would never have many of the things that have made this country great and continue to make this country great!

I agree

Date: 2002-01-23 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nativeatlantan.livejournal.com
when you said "I am a big proponent of organized government".

Re: I agree

Date: 2002-01-23 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drunkmuppet.livejournal.com
exactly.......Folks in countries in the Middle East Racial Profiling has been going on for centuries in places like airports. Everybody on that plane in a proponent of this profiling no matter what their background because it keeps them from becoming BBQ'ed at 30k feet. Is it wrong? maybe, but it saves lives. WE enjoy more freedoms than any other country in the world and this is what has kept us strong. Go back and do research during WWI and WWII things were very different. Rationing, Steel Reclaiming etc. Did things evertually return to normal? Yes with changes made to protect us from evil!

I agree

Date: 2002-01-23 11:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nativeatlantan.livejournal.com
when you said "I am a big proponent of organized government".

and on my second post of this remark:

STOP MAKING ME THINK SO MUCH!!!

I'm going to HAVE TO kick your ass. . .

Re: I agree

Date: 2002-01-23 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drunkmuppet.livejournal.com
If you can't take the heat get out of the Kitchen

Re: Nope

Date: 2002-01-23 12:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elizabethf.livejournal.com
All that chip nonsense is from left wing extremist paranoid nuts. It is not feasible at all.

I agree with organized government. Organized being the key word. However (and you may agree), I believe that the government is pokes around in alot of the wrong areas. Like in many social issues. It's not that I believe in less government so much as better managed government.

Re: Nope

Date: 2002-01-23 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elizabethf.livejournal.com
See, I knew you were smart!

Re: Nope

Date: 2002-01-23 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drunkmuppet.livejournal.com
not smart,just think this is a great place to live. THings may not always go your way, but we all need to work together.

Re: Nope

Date: 2002-01-23 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kellinator.livejournal.com
I agree with you that this is a great place to live... I want to keep it that way, as do you. I think it is really heartening that we can get so many people talking about this.

Re: Nope

Date: 2002-01-23 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drunkmuppet.livejournal.com
I still rest on my feelings. There are always unfortunate outcomes to all situations, what makes this country great is the ability to learn from their mistakes.

Re: Nope

Date: 2002-01-23 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kellinator.livejournal.com
Which means we have to learn from our mistakes. We can't just sit on our hands and say "The government knows best..." We have to be informed.

We are the government. If we don't like something that's going on, we're the ones who have to speak up.

Re: Nope

Date: 2002-01-24 05:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drunkmuppet.livejournal.com
My point exactly....You said in your post give me back my civil liberties...and I what has been taken away from you?

Re: AMEN

Date: 2002-01-23 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
lol! Looks like this reply section has gotten taken over! Well, might as well stake my own claim ;)


If the govt decided to go into overwatch, it Can monitor you. There are cameras on roads (technology for facial-recognition is evolving), LoJack and GPS systems in your cars, bots can be set up on AOL servers to scan for key-words, credit card records are accessible.. Why would they Need a chip? (which Can be built actually, just needs to trigger scanners nearby.) I mean, they could get it in you no problem (add it to credit cards for theft-protection, give you the option of installing a GPS system in your palm-pilot..) But why? Agencies can just triangulate on your cell-phone. -shrug-


And would Our govt do that? Read up on the Red Scare. That was another time when people gave up civil liberties in return for added security. You know you phone can now be tapped 'temporarily' without a judge's aproval, right? Just don't draw atention and you'll be fine though. Don't read inapropriate literature, look at the wrong newsgroup, say the wrong thing before too many people, or complain about what's happening w/ the govt(dang terrorist!) :-P

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