Great minds think alike

[kellinator]

Inigo Montoya to the six-fingered man: I want my father back, you son of a bitch.

The Kellinator to John Ashcroft: I want my civil liberties back, you son of a bitch.

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tell me

[drunkmuppet.livejournal.com]

What has really been taken away from you so far?

My name is...

[elizabethf.livejournal.com]

Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!

I just might pop that in the dvd player today!

Re: tell me

[kellinator.livejournal.com]

Specifically? I don't know. I'm a native-born grad student who doesn't, realistically, lead a very suspicious life.

But... I can read the writing on the wall, and I can see how people are being affected. I'd have to be a fool to wait until it impacts me personally to get concerned.

Though what I can do now is beyond me. Any ideas, anyone?

Re: tell me

[darkwolf69.livejournal.com]

http://www.eff.org/

This organization is highly active in privacy concerns- at least from an online/electronic perspective...

Re: tell me

[drunkmuppet.livejournal.com]

You really do not want me to start in on you, do you?

What writing on the wall?
Tell me that you are willing to give up your life and peace of mind over security?
Personally, Being in an airport once a week and seeing the way people live in other countries, the risk of losing some(read some) of my civil liberties is ok with me.

AMEN

[nativeatlantan.livejournal.com]

We have it pretty good over here. However, I WILL NOT HAVE SOME IMPLANT PUT IN ME SO THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN KEEP UP WITH ME. Just a personal preference.

Re: AMEN

[drunkmuppet.livejournal.com]

that is very different than the point being argued here!

Re: tell me

[kellinator.livejournal.com]

And which things are you willing to lose?

I'm not talking about piddly stuff like curb-side checking at the airport. I'm talking about things like the White House announcing that questioning the government is tantamount to treason. This country is supposed to be built on free speech! I don't want the government reading my email, putting me on some list because of the books I buy, or searching me without probable cause because someone thinks I look funny.

It's not that I have anything to hide. But I was raised with the right to privacy.

(And frankly, I find it ironic that the former proponents of less-government are the ones behind so much of this new stuff.)

Re: AMEN

[kellinator.livejournal.com]

I'm so with you!!

Keep your probes out of my ass!!

Re: tell me

[(Anonymous)]

Sounds more like the writing on the NYT editorial pages...keep saying "Ashcroft is BAD" over and over again, like a mantra, and people believe it...but don't know why. That no one can actually articulate what is bad about him underscores the point.

Re: AMEN

[nativeatlantan.livejournal.com]

Bingo. IRS has already been up my ass, so to speak.

Re: AMEN

[nativeatlantan.livejournal.com]

no, no, no, it's not. darkwolf69 was talking about privacy, and they want to keep tabs on you, your whereabouts, etc.

Re: AMEN

[elizabethf.livejournal.com]

But that was just because they promised not to charge you all those back taxes. Totally different!

teeheehee!

Re: AMEN

[nativeatlantan.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately. Imagine that, being lied to by a pseudo-governmental agency!!

It's because

[nativeatlantan.livejournal.com]

He is a self-proclaimed conservative Christian. Can't have those in politics, otherwise everything they do is picked apart in order to sell papers.

Re: tell me

[drunkmuppet.livejournal.com]

tell me how he is being bad and why

Re: tell me

[drunkmuppet.livejournal.com]

I agree but you did not state your point clearly. Nobody is going to take away your inalienable rights. To keep me safe and my family safe I agree with certain constraints, just like all power it needs to be used, not abused. I do not know where you have lived but we are watched every day. I have been searched for no apparant reason(read airport) this is very different than being stopped on the street and being searched because you just walked out of a middle eastern store. People pass judgement on each other all the time (hell, i do, i don't like anyone) but I am willing to give up certain things to keep myself safe. It is not a more/less situation. It is a matter of security.
Everything in our society is public in one way shape or form. Maybe if you want to keep those things private with one person there needs to be more face to face interaction!

Re: AMEN

[drunkmuppet.livejournal.com]

The government is a very small group when compared to the overall populus. There is no way they are going to be able to keep tabs on everyone. There is a need to check everyone to see the people who they do need to keep tabs on.

Honestly?, do you really think the government has time to read every freaking live journal post. It would take a group the size of the population to keep tabs on everyone!

Nope

[nativeatlantan.livejournal.com]

That's not what I was saying at all. I was just saying that there was a discussion about 3 months ago about possibly putting a chip in AMERICAN CITIZENS that would allow the government to "keep tabs" on AMERICAN CITIZENS.

I think it had something to do with illegal aliens, healthcare, etc.

If they do have time to read every LJ post:

FUCK YOU, why aren't you earning the money you are stealing from my paychecks???????

Re: Nope

[drunkmuppet.livejournal.com]

OK you have made your point.

Let's come back to reality. Do you really think the US population would stand for something like this(a chip, this is fucking nonsense, just like 90 percent of news stories)We all know the media tends to overdramatize things and I am sure this is one of those things. !
I am a big proponent of organized government,(not necessarily all of the bad that is associated with our current state of government, but without, we would never have many of the things that have made this country great and continue to make this country great!

I agree

[nativeatlantan.livejournal.com]

when you said "I am a big proponent of organized government".

I agree

[nativeatlantan.livejournal.com]

when you said "I am a big proponent of organized government".

and on my second post of this remark:

STOP MAKING ME THINK SO MUCH!!!

I'm going to HAVE TO kick your ass. . .

Re: I agree

[drunkmuppet.livejournal.com]

exactly.......Folks in countries in the Middle East Racial Profiling has been going on for centuries in places like airports. Everybody on that plane in a proponent of this profiling no matter what their background because it keeps them from becoming BBQ'ed at 30k feet. Is it wrong? maybe, but it saves lives. WE enjoy more freedoms than any other country in the world and this is what has kept us strong. Go back and do research during WWI and WWII things were very different. Rationing, Steel Reclaiming etc. Did things evertually return to normal? Yes with changes made to protect us from evil!

You can start in on me. (was Re: tell me) - pt 1

[jonnyx.livejournal.com]

Hi.

Let me tell you what I've lost.

I've run a non-profit hacker convention for five years, and participated in the organization of a couple of others. My convention, PhreakNIC, was free and open to the public. The intent was to teach anyone interested basic (and sometimes advanced) computer security, provide a LAN to practice attacks (to understand how they worked) and defenses (to make sure you were really keeping your digital assets secure), expose folks to Microsoft alternatives like Linux and BSD, and generally learn in a safe, laboratory-type environment. Other hacker/geek panels consisted of discussions (and demos) on everything from LPFM to SETI work to DSS security flaws to free and open-source software PBXs to embedded microcontrollers to robot wars to etc.

Attendees consisted of the usual geek crowd, but we also had mommies & daddies who were there with their kids, folks who just wanted to game, reporters, law enforcement folks who wanted to learn more (they were quite welcome, and even solicited to speak occasionally), curious hobbyists. Ages ranged from early teens (and younger when parents brought newborns) to people in their 60's and 70's. People traveled from all over the country, and in a few cases, from outside the US to attend.

When Bush signed the USA-PATRIOT Act at the end of October 2001, my convention technically became a terrorist event and I became a terrorist ringleader. Under the new laws, I can face life in a federal pen (ie - no parole) for organizing this event. For some of my immigrant friends, it's even worse: they can be held without any charges, for an indefinite time, without being allowed to speak to a lawyer, and they can be tried and executed by a military tribunal. Finally, anyone who has ever attended one of these conventions could be held as a terrorist participating in a conspiracy.

Re: I agree

[drunkmuppet.livejournal.com]

If you can't take the heat get out of the Kitchen