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I find this fascinating and disturbing and am dying to open it up for discussion. True? False? What about women?
Why SOME of You Guys Are Having Trouble Meeting Women
(This wasn't written by myself - I'm not crafty enough to realize some of these things on my own.)
- You don't want any woman larger than a Size 4
- You don't want any breasts smaller than a 36C
- You want only white or Asian women (who fit the above physical requirements)
- You want her to have a career, but not be so focused on it that it takes attention away from YOU (otherwise she is a frigid, career-driven bitch)
- You want her to be sexually adventurous and kinky, but not to have had an adventurous or kinky past (that makes her easy, a slut, a piece of meat)
- If she wants kids, she's trying to trap you; if she doesn't, she's a frigid manhating,kidhating, family-hostile feminist bitch
- You want an educated woman but who isn't strident/opinionated/bitchy
- You want a girl who looks like a model (stylish and put together) but not one who is overly concerned with fashion or materialism
- You don't want a 'dinner whore' but if a woman pays for dinner your manhood is insulted
- You whine about why women don't smile at you on the street, and when we explain to you that many men basically consider it an invite to harass or threaten us you discount what we've said - do you listen, or do you just want to hear yourselves talk?
- You say you want a super smart or super sexual woman but you are totally threatened by them
- You think women are there to validate your existence/good looks/success/blah blah blah
- You throw your good looks/money/success/flash car around as bait and then wonder why you attract gold-diggers
- You spew hatred towards women and then wonder why women can't stand you - do you think we're stupid?
- You insist til you are blue in the face that there are no good women left in SF when there's actually an army of them - they're just not the brainless, spineless, 98-lb geisha dolls you really want
- If you want a woman that is beautiful, in shape, smart, successful, gracious, etc., you just have high standards for yourself
- If a woman wants a man that is all of the above, she is unrealistic, expects perfection, and should lower her standards and 'get real'.
- You really don't want a woman who's an equal. You want a combo-platter whore/housekeeper/mommy. No one wants to be your Mommy, buddy. Or your whore or housekeeper for that matter.
- You want the hot pussy but you don't want to be obligated to call her afterwards. WTF?
- If a woman 'gives it up' too easily and fucks you without a bunch of dating and dinners, etc., she's a whore/slut
- If a woman won't fuck you until you've had a bunch of dating/dinners, etc, she's a gold-digging dinner whore
- You always talk about what women should be doing for you instead of what you could be doing for them to show them how much you enjoy their attention/time/energy - this goes both ways
- You blame women for your dating woes instead of either asking yourself if the issue might be you or all the other men who treat women like shit and force us to be wary and self-protective
Of course I am playing devil's advocate a little bit, but from what I read posted on this site all the time you guys seriously do demonstrate the above. Guys (and girls, too, for that matter), wake up. People are people. I'm a woman and believe me, it's just as hard meeting decent men in SF as women, if not harder. No one has a monopoly on malice or virtue, but I do think men are by and large pretty ignorant of the daily reality of women's lives and what a struggle it is and continues to be. Life is struggle for men, too, but you are NOT subjected to the same type of BS (namely, sexual) we are (when was the last time you smiled at a woman on the street and she followed you and threatened to rape you? When was the last time someone got you pregnant and bailed on you? When was the last time you went into a corner store to buy a Coke and the guy behind the counter told you to give him a smile? and that's just the tip of the iceberg).
Everyone just get real.
neteng, reprinted with permission)I find this fascinating and disturbing and am dying to open it up for discussion. True? False? What about women?
Why SOME of You Guys Are Having Trouble Meeting Women
(This wasn't written by myself - I'm not crafty enough to realize some of these things on my own.)
- You don't want any woman larger than a Size 4
- You don't want any breasts smaller than a 36C
- You want only white or Asian women (who fit the above physical requirements)
- You want her to have a career, but not be so focused on it that it takes attention away from YOU (otherwise she is a frigid, career-driven bitch)
- You want her to be sexually adventurous and kinky, but not to have had an adventurous or kinky past (that makes her easy, a slut, a piece of meat)
- If she wants kids, she's trying to trap you; if she doesn't, she's a frigid manhating,kidhating, family-hostile feminist bitch
- You want an educated woman but who isn't strident/opinionated/bitchy
- You want a girl who looks like a model (stylish and put together) but not one who is overly concerned with fashion or materialism
- You don't want a 'dinner whore' but if a woman pays for dinner your manhood is insulted
- You whine about why women don't smile at you on the street, and when we explain to you that many men basically consider it an invite to harass or threaten us you discount what we've said - do you listen, or do you just want to hear yourselves talk?
- You say you want a super smart or super sexual woman but you are totally threatened by them
- You think women are there to validate your existence/good looks/success/blah blah blah
- You throw your good looks/money/success/flash car around as bait and then wonder why you attract gold-diggers
- You spew hatred towards women and then wonder why women can't stand you - do you think we're stupid?
- You insist til you are blue in the face that there are no good women left in SF when there's actually an army of them - they're just not the brainless, spineless, 98-lb geisha dolls you really want
- If you want a woman that is beautiful, in shape, smart, successful, gracious, etc., you just have high standards for yourself
- If a woman wants a man that is all of the above, she is unrealistic, expects perfection, and should lower her standards and 'get real'.
- You really don't want a woman who's an equal. You want a combo-platter whore/housekeeper/mommy. No one wants to be your Mommy, buddy. Or your whore or housekeeper for that matter.
- You want the hot pussy but you don't want to be obligated to call her afterwards. WTF?
- If a woman 'gives it up' too easily and fucks you without a bunch of dating and dinners, etc., she's a whore/slut
- If a woman won't fuck you until you've had a bunch of dating/dinners, etc, she's a gold-digging dinner whore
- You always talk about what women should be doing for you instead of what you could be doing for them to show them how much you enjoy their attention/time/energy - this goes both ways
- You blame women for your dating woes instead of either asking yourself if the issue might be you or all the other men who treat women like shit and force us to be wary and self-protective
Of course I am playing devil's advocate a little bit, but from what I read posted on this site all the time you guys seriously do demonstrate the above. Guys (and girls, too, for that matter), wake up. People are people. I'm a woman and believe me, it's just as hard meeting decent men in SF as women, if not harder. No one has a monopoly on malice or virtue, but I do think men are by and large pretty ignorant of the daily reality of women's lives and what a struggle it is and continues to be. Life is struggle for men, too, but you are NOT subjected to the same type of BS (namely, sexual) we are (when was the last time you smiled at a woman on the street and she followed you and threatened to rape you? When was the last time someone got you pregnant and bailed on you? When was the last time you went into a corner store to buy a Coke and the guy behind the counter told you to give him a smile? and that's just the tip of the iceberg).
Everyone just get real.
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Date: 2003-06-11 10:59 am (UTC)None of my friends are like this, but...
When I was single and actively looking, I was hanging out in bars in Russian Hill and the Marina and stuff (trying to meet straight men - this is an issue in SF) and met a lot of yuppie stock brokers and investment bankers and so forth... I would be talking to a guy at the Buc, he'd ask what I do or where I went to school, and then get all disapointed when I told him and say, deadpan, "Oh, you must be smart." and that would be the end of it.
I've definately seen when I go out that nothing gets attention like shooting pool in a tank top, and guys do talk to my chest. I've also had guys get really angry with me when they bought me a drink or two, then I *didn't* invite him home. And these guys are not particularly buff, kind-of stupid-looking haircuts, pool chalk straked across their shirt or something...
Even dressed normally for work, I walk down the street in my neighborhood, or worse, be standing outside of the Bell smoking, and guys walking or driving by will comment, the nicer ones just check out my chest and wistle or say something like, "hey sexy," or "seniorita bonita" the not so nice ones are usually in a car, drunk buddies hanging out the windows yelling something like, "how much?"
I've had a guy try to feel me up in a dance club, and when I got indignant, he answered, "but you let me buy you a drink!"
I *is* worse in SF than it ever was in Nashville or it is in Lexington when I go home. This city is *way* oversexed. Sluttiness is everywhere. Monogamy is one of those things some people do, but nobody talks about.
There's this funny attitude like girls should be party girls who have a good time and seek sex in a stereotypically masculine un-emotional way, but if you want to find a guy for a real relationship, then you have to "play good" It's weird. It's easy to get bitter in this city.
Maybe it's the dichotomy between the influence of the gay male club culture, and more traditional gender roles.
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Date: 2003-06-11 02:02 pm (UTC)Come to think of it... There *aren't* a lot of tall guys on the bar scene I don't think... Height isn't a big criteria for me, so I haven't paid much attention...
Looking at the girls who are my "competitition" out in the bars, I have to say that the girls present a pretty unflattering group persona as well. Some spectacular fashion victims (black satin cargo capris with nude strappy stilleto sandals? as if!), those cliquey tribes of girls that ridicule every guy in the place whenever their back is turned, the bitches that piss on the seat in bar bathrooms (as if it wasn't nasty enough, bitch), girls that go out with the intention of getting guys to buy them drinks with no expectation of at least providing a few minutes of pleasant conversation in return...
Not all SF girls are like this, of course, not even all girls in SF bars are like this, but you're right, the bar scene is pretty brutal on both sides.
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Date: 2003-06-11 03:44 pm (UTC)Yet I'm so painfully single it's not funny.
Oh, and um... I hate to admit it, but of course you're going to find skeezy guys in dive bars.
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Date: 2003-06-11 03:56 pm (UTC)Come on, Bar None is packed with guys like this. (And they're also painfully single)
Almost part of the reason you have struck out so much is that girls in SF won't give you the time of day because they *expect* guys to act like the above.
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Date: 2003-06-15 04:19 pm (UTC)