so far as "he said/she said" goes, the most important "anyone said" is that they BOTH agreed to what happened. After the deed has been admitted to, "he said/she said" only affects whether or not it was a crime; i.e. was it consensual? In the case of a girl of 13, it doesn't matter if it was "consensual".
Roman Polanski certainly had enough money to afford a fabulous team of lawyers. Running away does not mean he's guilty, but it doesn't mean he's honorable either.
he has NEVER admitted that everything she said happened. he's never said it's exactly like it happened. he's never alluded to the fact that it's exactly what she said. therefore he didn't necessarily drug her or get her drunk. we don't even know if he had actual sex with her. the only person on record is HER.
do you think having good lawyers is enough to get you off the hook? think again. celebrities like oj simpson may have enough money to hire a passle of lawyers as gifted as can be. it doesn't mean you'll get off the hook.
you honestly seem to think that law is either black or white and that there is no grey area. the problem is THERE IS MORE grey than there is black or white.
thanks for deciding what I think about Law. Yes, he HAS admitted to having sexual relations with a minor. Dishonorable count one. Then he fled. Dishonorable count two. My mind as to his honor is made up.
there is obviously no point in debating with you. I never said it was black and white. I stated my opinion on the matter. So you don't agree. big deal.
he said although he engaged in sexual misconduct with her, it was not exactly what she said. sexual misconduct runs the spectrum from rape to simple harassment.
no one decided law for you. you're the one who attacked me over the girl saying she wanted the charges dropped. the funniest part is I DIDN'T SAY IT. someone else did. please read the responses again.
I dont appreciate being accused of attacking someone. I did not attack you. in both situations, YOU brought up something then denied it later. I thought you might need some reminding.
You said but what happend i don't think anyone will ever know for sure. with the rate this girl keeps saying to drop charges against polanski i wouldn't be surprised if some of the stuff was added to try and recieve money or a payoff. - your words.
you also said you honestly seem to think that law is either black or white and that there is no grey area. - your words.
All I was saying was that regardless of any of that, sexual misconduct happened, she was 13, he ran away. Therefore, he is in violation of criminal codes in america. so lawyers don't ensure justice.... because he's Roman Polanski, it's to be overlooked that he ran from his country's justice system? because it might be skewed? sorry, I can't go with that.
All I was saying, is that two facts are known: he admitted to misconduct with a minor, and he jumped bond. I also said that his work should be judged on its own merits. I also said my PERSONAL opinion is that he is scum for what he admitted doing and then running away. I'm sure there's more factors "at play" here, so far as looking at it ethically, morally, and all whatever else makes for an interesting debate. HOWEVER, I was not talking about ethics, scruples or morals. I was talking about my opinion based on his admitted misconduct and the laws HE BROKE.
no one said he should get away with anything because he's roman polanski... except for the words you tried to shove into my mouth.
you said you were through with that matter as did i. if you insist on being insulting and argumentative i don't find it surprising for a minute that someone anyone including me doesn't want to stick around and discuss this with you.
now as i've said before, i'm through with the matter. if you have more insults, etc to hurl please seek someone else to dish them out to.
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Date: 2003-03-28 02:02 pm (UTC)After the deed has been admitted to, "he said/she said" only affects whether or not it was a crime; i.e. was it consensual? In the case of a girl of 13, it doesn't matter if it was "consensual".
Roman Polanski certainly had enough money to afford a fabulous team of lawyers. Running away does not mean he's guilty, but it doesn't mean he's honorable either.
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Date: 2003-03-28 03:12 pm (UTC)do you think having good lawyers is enough to get you off the hook? think again. celebrities like oj simpson may have enough money to hire a passle of lawyers as gifted as can be. it doesn't mean you'll get off the hook.
you honestly seem to think that law is either black or white and that there is no grey area. the problem is THERE IS MORE grey than there is black or white.
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Date: 2003-03-28 04:43 pm (UTC)there is obviously no point in debating with you. I never said it was black and white. I stated my opinion on the matter. So you don't agree. big deal.
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Date: 2003-03-28 04:47 pm (UTC)no one decided law for you. you're the one who attacked me over the girl saying she wanted the charges dropped. the funniest part is I DIDN'T SAY IT. someone else did. please read the responses again.
i'm through with the matter.
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Date: 2003-03-28 05:06 pm (UTC)in both situations, YOU brought up something then denied it later. I thought you might need some reminding.
You said but what happend i don't think anyone will ever know for sure. with the rate this girl keeps saying to drop charges against polanski i wouldn't be surprised if some of the stuff was added to try and recieve money or a payoff. - your words.
you also said you honestly seem to think that law is either black or white and that there is no grey area. - your words.
All I was saying was that regardless of any of that, sexual misconduct happened, she was 13, he ran away. Therefore, he is in violation of criminal codes in america. so lawyers don't ensure justice.... because he's Roman Polanski, it's to be overlooked that he ran from his country's justice system? because it might be skewed? sorry, I can't go with that.
All I was saying, is that two facts are known: he admitted to misconduct with a minor, and he jumped bond. I also said that his work should be judged on its own merits. I also said my PERSONAL opinion is that he is scum for what he admitted doing and then running away. I'm sure there's more factors "at play" here, so far as looking at it ethically, morally, and all whatever else makes for an interesting debate. HOWEVER, I was not talking about ethics, scruples or morals. I was talking about my opinion based on his admitted misconduct and the laws HE BROKE.
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Date: 2003-03-28 05:36 pm (UTC)you said you were through with that matter as did i. if you insist on being insulting and argumentative i don't find it surprising for a minute that someone anyone including me doesn't want to stick around and discuss this with you.
now as i've said before, i'm through with the matter. if you have more insults, etc to hurl please seek someone else to dish them out to.