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Wouldn't it be supremely ironic if George W. Bush finally made good on his claim to be "a uniter, not a divider" -- by uniting voters of all creeds and political persuasions to vote against him?

I'm very obviously not a Republican, but from what I understand of the party ideals, if you're a Republican I can't fathom why you'd want Bush as the main representative of your party. I thought Republicans were supposed to be all about fiscal responsibility. Bush has shown none. In fact, he's pissed away the surplus left by that notorious tax-and-spender, Clinton.

And here's another thought that's been driving me crazy for the past few days -- the furor over same-sex marriage rights should be exposing the hypocrisy of so many in the Republican party. So many Republicans are constantly insisting that they want less government, "no more big government" -- well, as far as I can tell, that means they want less government poking around in big business, but apparently it's the government's sacred duty to tell people what they can and can't do in the bedroom. Why does anyone else care? Don't give me that "sanctity of marriage" bullshit: Vegas' new ad campaign invites you to go there and marry a total stranger, and that was even before Britney Spears' little matrimonial adventure, plus we've got an entire genre of reality shows based around marriage or at least the possibility thereof in increasingly depraved variations ([livejournal.com profile] streamweaver and I have agreed the thing that makes "My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance" watchable is the fact that the bleach-blond money-hungry this-is-going-to-launch-my-career-and-I-don't-care-who-gets-hurt-in-the-process bitch being duped so richly deserves it). We straight people are doing a fine job of ruining marriage on our own, trust me. It reminds me of a debate on same-sex marriage rights I attended at Vanderbilt a few years ago. At the very beginning, those speaking for equal marriage rights stood up and said "We're not telling anyone what to do religiously, we just want equal civil marriage rights." Then the anti-people got up and STARTED RAILING ON RELIGION, as if they hadn't even listened to what was just said, which I suspect they hadn't (I knew one personally and he was a bona fide idiot). Think about it: can you heard anyone make a single argument about same-sex marriage rights that isn't rooted in religion or similar morality issues? So you object because you think men marrying men or women marrying women is icky. Well, I think anyone marrying Newt Gingrich is icky, but that doesn't mean I don't think people should have the right to. (Whether they're fucking stupid enough to marry Newt Gingrich, Mr. Family Values who didn't pay his child support and was conducting an extramarital affair at the same time he was on his Contract On With America rampage, is another matter entirely.) Look at the Bible, for heaven's sake, all you fundies: Did Jesus spend His furor on the prostitutes and tax collectors? No, He saved it for the Pharisees, who held themselves up as superior and perverted religion to hold others down and enrich themselves. And yet so many people out there follow the example of the Pharisees rather than that of Jesus. Those people make me sick. Yeah, I do plenty of things that I probably shouldn't be doing, but I'd like to think I try to treat people with kindness and compassion. What good is nitpicking Leviticus if you can't get the basic ideas down?

That's my rant, and I'm stickin' to it.

Date: 2004-02-17 11:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sirinek.livejournal.com
YOu know, on LJ I have seen more Atlanta-area Bush supporters who call themselves "Libertarian" than I care to count. Several read are on your friends list. Hypocrisy in the extreme.

Your article was well-written. Are you going to help the Dems this election season? :)

Even though Dean is 99.9999% unlikely to make it as the nominee, most of the Dean folks (and I figure the Clark people too) are going to be working overtime to canvass and run voter registration drives for the November election. I'll keep you in the loop with what happens to Georgia for Dean if you want to help volunteer with general election activities.

Date: 2004-02-17 11:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notgruntled.livejournal.com
Look at the Bible, for heaven's sake, all you fundies: Did Jesus spend His furor on the prostitutes and tax collectors? No, He saved it for the Pharisees, who held themselves up as superior and perverted religion to hold others down and enrich themselves.

Jesus turned water into wine, hung out with hookers and talked to lepers. He was approximately a Kennedy. Repeat after me: JESUS WAS A LIBERAL.

Well, I think anyone marrying Newt Gingrich is icky, but that doesn't mean I don't think people should have the right to.

That's what got me when the Republicans were in full hue and cry over Bill cheating on Hillary. If he'd been a good Republican, chockablock with Traditional Family Values, he would have dumped her and married the young cookie, like Newt (twice), Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh and Bob Dole.

What good is nitpicking Leviticus if you can't get the basic ideas down?

My favorite question for people who quote Leviticus on homosexuality: Why aren't you picketing oyster bars, or demanding that The Gap stop selling clothes made of mixed fabrics? The fundies appear to mine Leviticus pretty selectively.

Date: 2004-02-17 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weaktwos.livejournal.com
Amen, Sister!

Frankly, I don't see why morality should be simply rooted in faith, anyway. It seems to me that your ancor should/could be the harm principle. Tons of folks are simply satisfied with the bible saying it's wrong, without any discussion or reasoning behind it. It drives me nuts.

Date: 2004-02-17 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sharrainchains.livejournal.com
Testify!

In particular, the Newt Gingrich part of the rant struck a key: my son and I had many discussions about honor and marriage based on Newt's so-called life. One of his teachers sparked them by holding up that "man" as a pattern-card of honor! When I was able to speak again (after picking my chin off the ground), we discussed honor and marriage... What can people teach us about marriage who can condone a man who bullied his wife to sign divorce papers on her death bed? Isn't that a little too 16th century/Henry VIIIth for most of us?


Date: 2004-02-17 11:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sempereadem.livejournal.com
And a very good rant it was!

Date: 2004-02-17 12:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dprescott.livejournal.com
Yeah, I find that "Big Fat Obnoxious fiancee" tolerable due to the discomfort on that bitch's face...and what is it with her brothers? They MUST be doing her to get so mad and seemingly jealous over loosing her.

Date: 2004-02-17 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alison-says.livejournal.com
That was perfect. Good rant, Kelly!

Date: 2004-02-17 12:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dwivian
In fact, he's pissed away the surplus left by that notorious tax-and-spender, Clinton.

Clinton was thwarted by a Republican Congress, and buoyed by an out-of-control economy which artificially elevated the tax base. Our surplus was illusory, and as soon as the correction happened, change in tax rates or no, there was going to be a deficit.

Which is not to say that a sudden desire to go to the moon, and Mars, isn't a bit expensive. I don't think Bush has seen a spending program he didn't like. Tax and Spend Republicans are scary.....

mwah!

Date: 2004-02-17 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thermidor.livejournal.com
Amen!

As a married Christian, I find it offensive that people dare to say that a loving committed relationship is wrong.



The fundamentalists just don't get it.

You're right -

Date: 2004-02-17 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cotharyus.livejournal.com
There is far too much hostility in this debate - coming mainly from homophobic religious hypocrites. The overwelming odds on religion are this:

A) There's probly NO ONE on earth that would do it the way Jesus did it.
B) We're probly all wrong, and in God's eyes, every wrong is equally wrong. Therefore, the homosexuals are probly wrong (yes, damnit, leviticus!) and the homophobes are just as wrong. I'm wrong too.
C) Anyone who believes and repents can go to heaven. Now lets be realistic. Repenting doesn't mean stopping. If we could stop by repenting we wouldn't need constant forgiveness.

You're not wrong - I wish stupid people would shut up. I won't get into politics. I hate politics, and polititions. [rant]I think we should start over completely - take all the polititions to Jersey, and start over. And try to find honest people. People that don't build themselves airconditioned parking garages, then raise our taxxes because there's no money left in the buget to pay the staffs at public schools. Personally, I don't care if they are fornicators, ex-convicts, or even mentally disabled ..whatever, as long as when we look at where all our hard earned tax dollars went, they haven't done anything fucking stupid with them. ARGH. [/rant]

Date: 2004-02-17 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/cochise_/
Yay for anti-Bush ranting!!! I've just given up on arguing against his supporters. I don't think the light will ever dawn on them. I just want to start a campaign "Anyone but Bush 2004."

wow.

Date: 2004-02-17 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ilexx.livejournal.com
FANTASTIC fucking rant, my dear. in all seriousness, you should see about submitting it as an editorial or opinion column to some papers.

Date: 2004-02-17 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] idioticpoet.livejournal.com
I can't believe this is the second time today, that i'm throwing some of Matt Johnson's lyrics at someone. Well, figureatively speaking that is.

Armageddon Days Are Here (Again)
They're 5 miles high as the crow flies
leavin' vapour trails against a blood red sky
Movin' in from the East toward the West
with Balaclava helmets over their heads, yes!

But if you think that Jesus Christ is coming
Honey you've got another thing coming
If he ever finds out who's hi-jacked his name
He'll cut out his heart and turn in his grave

Islam is rising
The Christians mobilising
The world is on its elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds

It's war, she cried, It's war, she cried, this is war
Drop your possessions, all you simple folk
You will fight them on the beaches in your underclothes
You will thank the good lord for raising the union jack
You'll watch the ships sail out of harbour
and the bodies come floating back

If the real Jesus Christ were to stand up today
He'd be gunned down cold by the C.I.A.
Oh, the lights that now burn brightest behind stained glass
Will cast the darkest shadows upon the human heart
But God didn't build himself that throne
God doesn't live in Israel or Rome
God doesn’t belong to the yankee dollar
God doesn't plant the bombs for Hezbollah
God doesn't even go to church
And God won't send us down to Allah to burn
No, God will remind us what we already know
That the human race is about to reap what it's sown

The world is on its elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds
Armageddon days are here again

Date: 2004-03-08 10:16 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Bravo!

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