Grrrr...

Jul. 10th, 2002 05:59 pm
kellinator: (piss off!)
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Why the hell can't I post something postive about prayer without (almost) all the atheists getting their panties in a wad?

I don't spend all my time trying to convert you. I don't expect that you'll change your minds over one little post I made, and I don't give you grief over your beliefs. Get over yourselves.

Date: 2002-07-10 03:04 pm (UTC)
yendi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] yendi
Speaking as an Athiest, I don't wear panties.

And if they were, they wouldn't be wadded.

Date: 2002-07-10 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marigold.livejournal.com
I am pretty much atheist, but don't mind, actually sometimes like to see others' expressions of faith (?). As long as they are not trying to shove it down my throat and/or convert me and/or tell me I am going to hell. Which, imho, you are not doing.

It's your journal anyways.

Date: 2002-07-10 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadesong.livejournal.com
My view on prayer, spells, rituals: it's all just different ways to focus your will. I do think that things can be achieved if you believe enough in your ability to achieve them...


ˇ

Date: 2002-07-10 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] princessashi.livejournal.com
i think its funny when people are like PRAYING IS STUPID! I DONT BELIEVE IN GOD! and then when they fall off a cliff, wtf do you think theyre doing all the way down. hahahahahahah.

Date: 2002-07-10 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tikimama.livejournal.com
My panties(Jack Skellington, thong) are perfectly smooth. :)

I didn't mean to jump on you (I didn't think I did).

For me, its less about a belief in god, or prayer, then about critical thinking. CT is totally my soapbox and vocation; I am rabid about it. I believe it is the only way to make the world better. It's very difficult for me not to say something when I see non-critical thinking. Thus my (I hope, humorous) acknowledgement of what I wasn't going to say.

I was glad about the dogs, honestly, whatever made them better. I appreciated that people prayed for my beloved Mojo when he was sick, it was a nice thing to do for me.

But I do try and keep it under wraps, especially with people who don't care. Sometimes it escapes. My apologies. I'm a hopeless debator, I try to remember that not everyone likes to debate over everything they say. :)

Date: 2002-07-10 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thatbelle.livejournal.com
It's your LJ, Kelly, post what you want. :O)

Date: 2002-07-10 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hooper-x.livejournal.com
The way I see it, prayer could be the actual intervention of the supernatural upon worldly events, or it could be the focused willpower of the pray-ers. Or it could just be magic fluffy space kittens. Whatever.

If it works, it works.

-hx

Date: 2002-07-10 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ilexx.livejournal.com
what i don't understand is why people don't just realize that prayer can be just the same thing as sending positive thoughts or best wishes or good vibes?

*waits for more arguing to ensue*

;)

Date: 2002-07-10 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkmattr.livejournal.com
I've always wondered that, I mean. I don't believe in an egotistical God, but I do believe in one. I just never felt the need to ram it down anybody's throat. I see hard core atheists as the kind of people who get a kick out of telling little kids there is no Santa. So freaking what. Let them have it. Kelly if you have faith, you have faith. And those who do have it, have something precious, no matter what it is faith in. You don't cram it down anybody elses throat, why should they.

Date: 2002-07-10 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metaphorge.livejournal.com
I'm waiting for the atheist who will make the claim that atheism isn't a belief that requires kust as much faith as any of those that they reject....

Date: 2002-07-10 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] senchen.livejournal.com
They probably just mistook you for someone less nice.

Myself, I can take or leave any sort of superstition as long as it's not too aggressive, but I've known some predatory christians who go around basically looking for people experiencing distress or a moment of weakness.

That's when they make their sales pitch, which usually consists of "I'm going to pray for you and get all my friends to pray for you, and if your problem goes away then it's proven that god saved you and you need to believe what I believe or else you're an ungrateful bitch and you're going to hell!" Not in so many words, of course, but that's the general gist.

So when I see someone offer to pray for me I'm always on my guard: are they simply a kindly well-wisher who cares about my problems, deserving thanks... or are they a dogmatic jackal out for fresh meat, deserving to be torn into in a public forum? Maybe they mistook your well-intentioned well-wishing for the latter?

Date: 2002-07-10 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fourtines.livejournal.com
Kellinator I'm amazed at the number of people who feel completely justified in criticizing your personal journal . I keep reading the comments, even on this entry, and I wonder why it hasn't occured to these folks that if they don't like what they are reading in your personal journal that they can simply stop reading it. You obviously weren't trying to "convert" anyone. I think you should talk about your spiritual beliefs whenever you feel like it.

Can a Newbie Post?

Date: 2002-07-10 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catlyn-sc.livejournal.com
Kelli,

I support you!-this random chick out here in Cyber world. Kudos to you for standing up for what you believe in the face of several people who are looking for someone to debate this with (I'm not that person, don't start on me!) That takes so much strength and faith-so I commend you for it! Please continue to share what you believe, no matter how controversial it seems to everyone else. It's your journal, after all! *smile* Just my two cents worth.

Atheism

Date: 2002-07-10 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophocles.livejournal.com
Atheists are in sense very lonely people. Being the Poly Theistic multi-path Diest Judeo-Christian catholic gnostic with Eastern tendancies that I am, I kinda understand where the atheists are comming from. They're wrong. But I understand the motivation.

There exists a breed of Atheist that lives to convert people to "Rationalism" or whatever the Ism they deem to call it. They see any belief in something outside scientificaly provable means as dellusional. They are in point of fact #10 on my great big mechanisms for Evil. They'd take away your belief in a higher being and replace it with... Ok, they still seem to be working on that. Science and Humanistic Ethics seem to be their best offers so far.

I degress.

They are sad miserable creatures who have nothing outside the world of mundane experience.

If God didn't exist, I'd rather have my dellusions.

PS. I know I have been in your prayers for the past couple of weeks and I thank you for them.

Date: 2002-07-11 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] funkjunky.livejournal.com
Umm Kel, I hate to say this but I think you may be overreacting. Out of the last 5 or so posts where you mention prayer, only one had an anti-prayer theme, and not even a strong one.

I suppose I should mind my own anyway....

carryon then

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