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kellinator ([personal profile] kellinator) wrote2007-08-14 12:45 pm

I really should put on my flame-retardant suit before posting this.

According to CNN, Mary Winkler, the woman who shot her preacher husband, could go free today.

I mention this mainly because something about this case has always smelled funny to me, and I've wondered why, as I have deep sympathies for those in abusive situations and absolutely no doubt that some preachers are abusive jerks and most of my friends and family felt that was exactly what happened in this case and he got what was coming to him. But there was just something about the way the abuse allegations didn't come out until she'd had time to plan strategy with her lawyers, the fact that her testimony didn't seem to match up with her original statements, that has made me wonder if the justice system got played this time around. 

I think it's that I keep coming back to one little detail, a detail that's gotten perhaps the most attention, a detail that seemed in the eyes of small-town Tennessee such an Affront to Southern Womanhood that that nasty man got what he deserved:

The stripper shoes.

Remember, there were claims of all sorts of deviant sex, and then it comes out in court that he wanted her to wear stripper shoes. Good grief, I think I had more deviant sex than that this morning. Are stripper shoes really so scarring that a request to wear them during sex can put a person in the realm of battered spouse syndrome?  

Is Tennessee really that shocked by stripper shoes? I know they have stripper shoes in Tennessee. My cousin's girlfriend wore them to my grandmother's funeral.

[identity profile] reannon.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that bothered me... But I also thought it was probably indicative of a deeply repressed woman who is probably nine kinds of crazy and conflicted over sexuality to boot. Did he get what he deserved? I dunno. I'm quite conflicted myself on this story.

[identity profile] scarcrest.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
It wasn't JUST the stripper shoes, either -- they were a representation of just one of several ways she said he coerced her into doing things she didn't want to do. The defense painted a portrait of a marriage where the wife was raped in that subtle "forcing her to say yes" way that is in my opinion even more evil and damaging than when a stranger assaults someone because it aims to break down the victim's willpower and sense of self.

Now, it's entirely possible that they fabricated this defense. Or that they took things and made them seem bigger than they were. But with that defense, had I been a juror, I would probably have leaned toward a nullification verdict. All this is said having heard more about this case -- the things that got in the official trial record, the dead-ends that reporters couldn't substantiate -- than probably anyone here. So that could slant my perspective.

*blinks*

[identity profile] taoskye.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Stripper shoes? Uh, that's all? Man, I better take Kelly flowers tonight. :)

[identity profile] wintersweet.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that depends on how degraded or humiliated she would feel wearing them. I have friends who wear 'em for fun, but I loathe them and if someone hit me till I agreed to wear them, I'd feel pretty damn degraded.
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[identity profile] twochicsinbham.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Unfortunately, degraded and humiliated is often a precursor to threatened and endangered
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[identity profile] sophocles.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
When I was 16, I told my stepfather if he ever lay a hand on mother I would kill him. He believed me. He sobered up a month later.
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[identity profile] sophocles.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
It was simply the example I choose to share.
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[identity profile] sophocles.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
So is claiming victimhood falsely or inappropriately. With every so called victim who gives up their personal responsibility at the drop of a hat either through weakness of character at best, or at nefarious motive at worst, the plight of people who *actually* need help get ignored in the din.

[identity profile] sophocles.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 07:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Excuse my bluntness. Playing the victim/self defense card because you're feelings are hurt does damage to *actual* victims. Taking a life is serious business. I have no doubt there are battered women who have resorted to lethal force as a means of protecting themselves. I have no doubt "stripper shoes" does not constitute abuse.

What we have here is someone all too willing to be a victim.
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[identity profile] sophocles.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
No one knows the truth of that case, who didn't actually live in that house themselves.

On that much we are agreed. What I find distressing the frequency with which people are willing to blame their actions on whatever victim status they can claim. It takes away personal responsibility, and that hurts everyone.


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[identity profile] sophocles.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
It's my personal credo to look after those weaker than myself. Sometimes it means taking a punch. Sometimes it means listening. Sometimes it means telling them to get off their ass, buck up.

You are who you choose to be. By the sounds of it, you stopped choosing to be a victim, and did so without choosing to be a killer.

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[identity profile] sophocles.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
You missed my initial point entirely.







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[identity profile] sophocles.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. This is officially gotten retarded.

We agree that Crying victim, rape or abuse falsely is- in your words "despicable" I will add that it does more harm to actual victims of rape and abuse.

Now I will make my point again, before telling you to go away.

Just because your wittle feelings are hurt, doesn't mean you've sustained lasting psychological damage.

Rape means there was force, either through physical, or chemical- and no I don't mean getting drunk and bad decision. I mean *being drugged*

Abuse means to actively harm.

Okay... one more time... I'll be even less polite this time.

STOP ENABLING A GENERATION OF WOMEN TO BE SHEEP. IT DOES MORE HARM THAN GOOD.

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[identity profile] sophocles.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
And yet your destructive ignorance will continue.

[identity profile] polychromatic22.livejournal.com 2007-08-15 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
I agree that generally the word rape is overused, however...
Coercion does exist.
As a society, we accept that those who are in a position of authority have the ability to use coercion to sexually assault those beneath them.
It would behoove you to realize, therefore that many rapists use common instinctual tactics to assert positions of authority and then coerce.
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[identity profile] sophocles.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
See above.

[identity profile] wintersweet.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I definitely didn't say that, and please don't imply that I did. I was merely attempting to explain why that may have been mentioned at all. The article I glanced at included allegations of assault, etc.
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[identity profile] kellinator.livejournal.com 2007-08-14 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
:D

As for Baptist, worse -- Church of Christ.

[identity profile] pearl-and-rose.livejournal.com 2007-08-15 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
Not a comment about my feelings on this case, and not a comment on anal sex, but I believe he either forced or tried to coerce her to do that. It wasn't *just* the shoes.

[identity profile] disaster75.livejournal.com 2007-08-15 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
i dont know about stripper shoes, but the whoreshoes are playing a gig down on sunset



[identity profile] kelliecoo.livejournal.com 2007-08-15 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
But he did force her to let him do it in the butt! I say that is probably horrifying them all right now!