kellinator | Grrrr...

Speaking as an Athiest, I don't wear panties.

And if they were, they wouldn't be wadded.

Taken into consideration.

I am pretty much atheist, but don't mind, actually sometimes like to see others' expressions of faith (?). As long as they are not trying to shove it down my throat and/or convert me and/or tell me I am going to hell. Which, imho, you are not doing.

It's your journal anyways.

Thank you.

Isn't it wacked-out how sometimes we forget that they're our journals? Pitfalls of the drive to entertain, I guess.

My view on prayer, spells, rituals: it's all just different ways to focus your will. I do think that things can be achieved if you believe enough in your ability to achieve them...

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exactly

i think its funny when people are like PRAYING IS STUPID! I DONT BELIEVE IN GOD! and then when they fall off a cliff, wtf do you think theyre doing all the way down. hahahahahahah.

My panties(Jack Skellington, thong) are perfectly smooth. :)

I didn't mean to jump on you (I didn't think I did).

For me, its less about a belief in god, or prayer, then about critical thinking. CT is totally my soapbox and vocation; I am rabid about it. I believe it is the only way to make the world better. It's very difficult for me not to say something when I see non-critical thinking. Thus my (I hope, humorous) acknowledgement of what I wasn't going to say.

I was glad about the dogs, honestly, whatever made them better. I appreciated that people prayed for my beloved Mojo when he was sick, it was a nice thing to do for me.

But I do try and keep it under wraps, especially with people who don't care. Sometimes it escapes. My apologies. I'm a hopeless debator, I try to remember that not everyone likes to debate over everything they say. :)

I desperately want those panties.

They were at Hot Topic! I got two sets! Where were you?

Someone else's journal really isn't the place to debate. And to not believe in prayer is not proof that you have great critical thinking skills.

ah, but that depends on how the entry is structured, doesn't it?

some journals invite debate

the trick is to be able to tell the difference :)

Ummm...Kelly's journal obviously wasn't inviting debate.

It's your LJ, Kelly, post what you want. :O)

The way I see it, prayer could be the actual intervention of the supernatural upon worldly events, or it could be the focused willpower of the pray-ers. Or it could just be magic fluffy space kittens. Whatever.

If it works, it works.

-hx

what i don't understand is why people don't just realize that prayer can be just the same thing as sending positive thoughts or best wishes or good vibes?

*waits for more arguing to ensue*

;)

They don't realize it because that would violate their dogma, the same as any other sort of fundamentalist religious group.

That's right... I just asserted that atheists can be fundies too.

Of course they can. I've encountered many atheists that are just as dogmatic as any religious person.

more so even... xians think you're deluded (by satan) or evil or just plain ignorant, but fundie-atheists seem to think you are a MORON if you express any kind of "supernatural" belief

that's the most concise way i've never been able to put it. coming from someone who's borderline taoist/atheist (okay, UNdefinable), i feel pretty strongly about the bullshit that gets flung in those types of debates.

i send good vibes and positive energy. others choose to direct this in the form of prayer.

well said! :)

I've always wondered that, I mean. I don't believe in an egotistical God, but I do believe in one. I just never felt the need to ram it down anybody's throat. I see hard core atheists as the kind of people who get a kick out of telling little kids there is no Santa. So freaking what. Let them have it. Kelly if you have faith, you have faith. And those who do have it, have something precious, no matter what it is faith in. You don't cram it down anybody elses throat, why should they.

I see hard core atheists as the kind of people who get a kick out of telling little kids there is no Santa.

And they are every bit as bitter, humorless, and closed off to diverse experiences of the world (and every bit as evangelical about their cause) as any Christian fundamentalist.

I'm waiting for the atheist who will make the claim that atheism isn't a belief that requires kust as much faith as any of those that they reject....

They probably just mistook you for someone less nice.

Myself, I can take or leave any sort of superstition as long as it's not too aggressive, but I've known some predatory christians who go around basically looking for people experiencing distress or a moment of weakness.

That's when they make their sales pitch, which usually consists of "I'm going to pray for you and get all my friends to pray for you, and if your problem goes away then it's proven that god saved you and you need to believe what I believe or else you're an ungrateful bitch and you're going to hell!" Not in so many words, of course, but that's the general gist.

So when I see someone offer to pray for me I'm always on my guard: are they simply a kindly well-wisher who cares about my problems, deserving thanks... or are they a dogmatic jackal out for fresh meat, deserving to be torn into in a public forum? Maybe they mistook your well-intentioned well-wishing for the latter?

Trust me, no one who's paying attention will mistake me for a fundie. Fundies generally don't post pictures of themselves flipping off the camera and use the word "fuck" in every other sentence.

Kellinator I'm amazed at the number of people who feel completely justified in criticizing your personal journal . I keep reading the comments, even on this entry, and I wonder why it hasn't occured to these folks that if they don't like what they are reading in your personal journal that they can simply stop reading it. You obviously weren't trying to "convert" anyone. I think you should talk about your spiritual beliefs whenever you feel like it.

Kelli,

I support you!-this random chick out here in Cyber world. Kudos to you for standing up for what you believe in the face of several people who are looking for someone to debate this with (I'm not that person, don't start on me!) That takes so much strength and faith-so I commend you for it! Please continue to share what you believe, no matter how controversial it seems to everyone else. It's your journal, after all! *smile* Just my two cents worth.

Newbies are welcome! Thanks for the nice words!

Atheists are in sense very lonely people. Being the Poly Theistic multi-path Diest Judeo-Christian catholic gnostic with Eastern tendancies that I am, I kinda understand where the atheists are comming from. They're wrong. But I understand the motivation.

There exists a breed of Atheist that lives to convert people to "Rationalism" or whatever the Ism they deem to call it. They see any belief in something outside scientificaly provable means as dellusional. They are in point of fact #10 on my great big mechanisms for Evil. They'd take away your belief in a higher being and replace it with... Ok, they still seem to be working on that. Science and Humanistic Ethics seem to be their best offers so far.

I degress.

They are sad miserable creatures who have nothing outside the world of mundane experience.

If God didn't exist, I'd rather have my dellusions.

PS. I know I have been in your prayers for the past couple of weeks and I thank you for them.

Atheists are in sense very lonely people.

The last time I felt lonely was when I was a Christian, about 6 or 7 years ago.

Poly Theistic multi-path Diest Judeo-Christian catholic gnostic

Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t most of those belief systems mutuality exclusive?

They're wrong. But I understand the motivation.

Both are matters of opinion.

They are sad miserable creatures who have nothing outside the world of mundane experience.

I would classify myself as anything but sad and miserable, and my experience of the world is anything but mundane. You obviously have a very skewed perspective on the atheistic subset of the population.

*Sigh* Okay... let me clarify myself. I was not a subset of the population. I was talking about subset of atheists.

"There exists a breed of Atheist that lives to convert people to 'Rationalism.'"

Yes, most of the elements that comprise my beliefs appear to be mutually exclusive.

Of course they're opinions.

Oh and by the way, I wasn't actually talking to you.

-SIR

Umm Kel, I hate to say this but I think you may be overreacting. Out of the last 5 or so posts where you mention prayer, only one had an anti-prayer theme, and not even a strong one.

I suppose I should mind my own anyway....

carryon then

Overreacting? Maybe. Or maybe I'm just speaking my mind more than I used to.

I'm not out to offend anyone, but I'm tired of letting people run me over in my own damn journal.

I'm just saying that I can't see how you can say "(almost) all the atheists" in refrence to 1 person. Unless of course only 2 Athiests read your journal. ;p

Actually, I went back and added the "almost"...

Grrrr...

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