But hey, you don't have to take my word for it! Look here - Discussion and the full text of the USA-PATRIOT Act! Look here too - this is what is being amended. Try here (wrt sec814) and here (wrt to sec805 and sec811) and here (wrt sec809) first; you'll have to have the two browser windows open side-by-side since the Act updates haven't been incorporated into the Code yet.
Getting a headache? What all this means, simply, is that under the current laws I and anyone else who attends or organizes "hacker" cons are terrorists engaged in a conspiracy if any single person who attends (or claims to have attended) any of these conventions violates the laws. And the laws are so broadly written wrt computer access that practically any use of a computer transcending state or national boundaries (internet, anyone?) constitutes misuse. And since the new amendments are retroactive and have no statute of limitations in some cases, I can be held accountable for *any* claims of misuse by any of the thousands of con attendees for the rest of my life (or until the laws are overturned). I'd better hope I don't piss off anyone in a position of authority, or look like a good career-enhancing target for someone. I can't afford to defend myself in a federal court, even if the accusations hold no water; can you?
So it seems that I (and a lot of my friends and associates) have lost the right to free speech and to peaceably assemble (1st Amendment), the right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure (4th Amendment), and the right to a swift trial by a public jury (Amendments 5-8).
And as for your final statement, "Personally, Being in an airport once a week and seeing the way people live in other countries, the risk of losing some(read some) of my civil liberties is ok with me", allow me to respond with a rather famous quote: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
Here's some pre-Sept11/USA-PATRIOT madness, in which a visiting Russian programmer is detained for violating a corporate-sponsored US anti-freespeech law and held in an undisclosed location for weeks while being denied council and contact with Russian diplomats:
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You can start in on me. (was Re: tell me) - pt 2
Date: 2002-01-23 11:42 am (UTC)But hey, you don't have to take my word for it! Look here - Discussion and the full text of the USA-PATRIOT Act! Look here too - this is what is being amended. Try here (wrt sec814) and here (wrt to sec805 and sec811) and here (wrt sec809) first; you'll have to have the two browser windows open side-by-side since the Act updates haven't been incorporated into the Code yet.
Getting a headache? What all this means, simply, is that under the current laws I and anyone else who attends or organizes "hacker" cons are terrorists engaged in a conspiracy if any single person who attends (or claims to have attended) any of these conventions violates the laws. And the laws are so broadly written wrt computer access that practically any use of a computer transcending state or national boundaries (internet, anyone?) constitutes misuse. And since the new amendments are retroactive and have no statute of limitations in some cases, I can be held accountable for *any* claims of misuse by any of the thousands of con attendees for the rest of my life (or until the laws are overturned). I'd better hope I don't piss off anyone in a position of authority, or look like a good career-enhancing target for someone. I can't afford to defend myself in a federal court, even if the accusations hold no water; can you?
So it seems that I (and a lot of my friends and associates) have lost the right to free speech and to peaceably assemble (1st Amendment), the right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure (4th Amendment), and the right to a swift trial by a public jury (Amendments 5-8).
And as for your final statement, "Personally, Being in an airport once a week and seeing the way people live in other countries, the risk of losing some(read some) of my civil liberties is ok with me", allow me to respond with a rather famous quote: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
You might wish to read the following:
Is security worth sacrificing liberty?
Here's some pre-Sept11/USA-PATRIOT madness, in which a visiting Russian programmer is detained for violating a corporate-sponsored US anti-freespeech law and held in an undisclosed location for weeks while being denied council and contact with Russian diplomats:
http://www.freesklyarov.org/
http://www.boycottadobe.org/
My, how times have changed.